Tue 15 Jul 2008
The End of Ted’s ‘Un-Bogus’ Journey
Posted by Patrick Hickey, Jr. under Offseason 2008 , Random Rant
Over the past two years, the Islanders have been an extremely interesting team to watch, changing team motif’s and ideas faster than an OCD patient at IHOP.
However, during that time, Ted Nolan’s hard-working attitude and approach was always prevalent. Regardless of who was on the team, Alexei Yashin, Ryan Smyth,Mike Comrie, he made sure his players worked for their minutes. When they didn’t, they were benched. That included players like Miroslav Satan and Rick DiPietro. For being that dedicated to the success of his team and not caring about the consequences, I applaud him.
But in the end, that’s why he lost his job.
There seems to be a logic-famine of sorts on Long Island for the past few months, as Rick DiPietro has more of a say in when he gets to play than his coach and even though we all know now that DP was hurt and Wade Dubielewicz was the better goalie at the time, Isles GM Garth Snow decided to stick by his franchise player, rather than his coach. You can’t blame Nolan for trying to assert himself though, he took the team to the playoffs the year before and had quickly become a fan-favorite and made the team semi-respected again.
Unfortunately, it wasn’t enough to gain the confidence of the organization.
And why would it be? This is the Islanders we’re talking about. A team that let another great coach, Peter Laviolette, go a few years ago because they felt he wasn’t a strong enough presence in the locker room and the inmates were running the asylum.
Sadly, it took almost a half-decade later for the organization to get the real problems out of the locker room out and the organization, Alexei Yashin and Mike Milbury.
I guess golfing partners are really hard to find on the Island nowadays, huh Mr. Wang?
So while Nolan had every right to do the things he did, he clashed with Snow and that was enough to get the ball rolling. Soon after Snow was questioning Nolan’s actions in front of the media and it was becoming obvious. He wanted Nolan out.
In spite of all of that though, I can’t shake off the feeling that if he would have just been a “yes” man, he’d still have a job.
But Nolan just isn’t that kind of guy.
However, his inability to communicate with Snow wasn’t the only reason why he was forced out. Even though he has a good enough track record coaching youngsters, considering his coaching time in juniors, the Isles used this past season as a way of saying he was unable to help the team with their youth movement.
While I myself was skeptical of how he would have handled the youngsters, let me just say this: there is a huge difference between being forced to play youngsters due to injuries and depending on them to produce through an entire season. While I’ll admit I don’t know how well he would have done this season, I will also admit this: he deserved a shot.
Some will now say that guys like Andy Hilbert and Freddy Meyer, who were Nolan favorites, will have to work harder for their spots on this team, because who ever takes over this team will be more likely to give guys like Bruno Gervais, Jack Hillen and Jeff Tambellini more of a shot. While that may have happened this season with Nolan at the helm, there is no question about it now, this team is looking for a lapdog to carry out the plan Charles Wang and Snow have for the organization.
So again, the Islanders find another way to reduce their eve-sinking credibility in the NHL.
The only question is, who steps in?
July 16th, 2008 at 5:38 am
He had the right to do the things he did? Anytime a coach questions management and acts defiantly against what he is told, there is a problem. If this was any other organization, would we even be discussing this at this length?
Nolan was not the means to an end, I am sorry. His systems were lacking, he could not keep the team to a system he put in place and could almost directly be blamed for the way the team fell apart physically (style of play).
This was a necessary move with the end of the “committee”. Nolan couldn’t handle not having the same influence and made his own bed with this one.
I look forward to a complete fresh start and something everyone single one of us has asked for - a plan put in motion and stuck to, for a change.
July 16th, 2008 at 6:11 am
Mike, anytime you bring in second tier players like the Islanders had last season and expect them to compete, you’re putting your coach in a bad situation. How Nolan kept that team in playoff contention as long as he did was a miracle.
So that basically makes your “systems were lacking comment die in the water like an amour hot dog. Any team with as many injurues as the Isles last season would have a problem create a system in the first place. How that team won over 30 games is nuts.
And as far as you’re acting defiantly against the organization, what ever happened in an organization supporting a coach?
LoL and against “what he is told”? Wasn’t it his team to run? If that’s the way you work with people, remind me to never fill out a resume at the company you work for.
Like I said in the post, Nolan partially sealed his own fate by no being a ‘yes’ man.
Now the Isles will look for a teacher who can work with Garth Snow.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Everyone seems to feel that Garth Snow canned Ted Nolan for insubordination, but Ted was not happy with the youth movement. Any coach wants to win as many games as possible, and I’m sure Ted could see that the Islanders are set on developing young players at the expense of wins. Also, he may have felt the Islanders could have retained Chris Simon and chose not to, and that might have been a personal rejection to Ted. Anyway, I believe his departure was a mutual decision.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:23 am
I lived in the Tampa Bay area for 16 years and still follow the Lightning even up here in NJ.
I will say this, if Garth Snow is smart, the coach he should hire is John Tortorella. That man is the reason the Lightning have a Stanley Cup banner at the St. Pete Times Forum.
If you guys get Tortorella, you guys will have a Cup in 3-4 years. He’s a disciplinarian, a no-nonsense coach, and he hates losing, and looking from afar, the Islanders need a dose of Camp Torturella and in a hurry.
The media sessions on Long Island with Torts as the coach, would be very interesting to say the least.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Pat,
Let me first say that I love your blog and I generally agree with your views, BUT I’m just not sure how the fault does not land squarely on Ted’s shoulder’s here???? a wise man once said “a coach’s job is to coach and a manager’s job is to manage”. In this case Ted wanted to coach and manage.
Ted wanted a team of veteran’s that would have competed for the 5-8 spot in the East. You can’t objectively tell me that the team Ted wanted on the ice would have a reasonable shot at the Stanley Cup. You watch the games….come on now….
Our organization needs a youth movement (hopefully not one where we sell off our youth piece by piece “a la” Millbury). One to compete with the Crosby/Malkin Pens for the next ten years. It’s a vision that Garth and Wang had and one that Ted didn’t have the patience for.
You say Nolan “wasn’t a Yes Man” and I say Nolan “was a No Man.” It’s one thing to sit with Garth and Wang and argue over the future of the organization but once that decision is made by the organization it is your duty as coach to get on board. To publicly act in defiance of the organizations decision is unacceptable. Remember, Nolan is the one with the track record of causing problems in management.
In the end, I think your posting your anger about the organization as a whole. Is Ted a good/great coach? Yes. On the surface it looks like just another player/coach that the isles fumbled away and in two years we’ll be the one’s with egg on our face when Nolan coaches a different team to the Stanley Cup finals. But I think this was the result of an employee acting insubordinate to his superiors and his superiors having no other options.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Pat - it never surfaced until now - but Nolan has a comtemptuous history…. Forget the ’sex’ scandal, but he had problems with Muckler. He did the same thing to Snow.
This will make GM’s a little leery to take a chance on Ted. He sat on his sword with his comments in March and April. It took time to ‘end the deal’, but I think it HAD to be done. Move on Garth, and get a COACH! (I want Hartley).
July 16th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
The Islanders organization will only be happy when they have no fans at the rate they are going. Losing Nolan was a huge mistake. They want someone who will be at Snow’s beck and call and not say a thing. Some of the fans saying, “lets stick with what Snow and Wang are doing”. Well, diehard fans sence the 80’s are getting pretty tired of going backward for so long. And they wonder why no one will sign for them? Get a clue Wang!! Great article!!!!!
July 17th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Ted Nolan and Garth Snow sat on that stage together and lied to us.
First thing out of Charles Wang’s mouth in an interview was that he told Ted so regarding playing prospects and rubbed it in his face.
Chris Botta said it all in that he had never seen a coach since Bill Stewart act so selfish with as this ” they stuff ” instead of talking about we. He blamed Snow too for being a wise ass with his cracks about the eyebrows.
All three gave us a poor show but what has not been mentioned here is for all the talk of Nolan had problems with prospects he had major problems with some veterans.
If he had problems with both where you do go?
Nolan got terrible seasons out of Satan, he played Richard Park and Andy Hilbert like top six forwards and he kept Robert Nilsson away from this roster his first camp and seemed to want to do the same to Jeff Tambellini.
You like the old way of doing things? The Milbury way of cashing in prospects for mediocre veterans, that’s what would have happened if Nolan stayed because that’s what he wanted to win now.
Snow has not been given contract extension why should Nolan have gotten one unless you want more dysfuncion in your front office.
Nolan was a man in tears back in 2002 when Laviolette got the job, he was willing to coach a club out of the playoffs for seven years in a row back then he had one year left on his deal and owed it to the man who gave him a chance to stop talking to Canadian papers about his difficult circumstances on 5/2 and get back to work.
Wang should have fired him right there after he was told management contracts are not for the paper, he completely ignored the owner and drew a line in the sand.
I like Ted Nolan and respect him but his coaching here was to play Dunham until they were practically eliminated last year and he had no choice before he finally made the call and saw what everyone saw and that was Dunham was useless.
These kids get a full chance nothing is going backwards regardless who the coach or gm is.
Thank You
July 17th, 2008 at 6:08 am
I have trouble with the idea that “insubordination” is such a bad thing. It’s not like Wang has gotten anything right so far. Everyone who was on stage with him just two years ago for the “new beginning” has left the team since. I think that Nolan basically wanted out, so his attitude was to speak his mind and let them fire him if they wanted, and so they did. If he doesn’t get another NHL job because of it, I doubt he’ll be as broken up about it this time around.
My biggest hopes are these: that Wang stops meddling and lets Snow run the team, and that Snow actually knows what he’s doing.